Transitioning between indoors and Outdoors

My latest request for a big client is to create a 3D model for a large property but to also include some of the outdoor space.

Any tips on creating a smooth transition? should i just switch to 360 pano mode? does it still stitch well?

ive always assumed the stitching is done by the scan not the photographs, am i right?

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  • Hi James, If there is a lot of sunlight.  Sunlight can cause problems with alignments by washing out the infrared scanner in the camera causing teleporting, detached rooms and crooked spaces. When starting a scan outside, the misalignment starts outside. Recommend scanning the whole space inside first so you won't have alignment issues due to infrared problems, but duplicate scan/model on your iPad before you try scanning outside (at dusk or dawn) so you can test it on the duplicate.  Keep the door open in the area where you plan to navigate outside while scanning that area so it doesn't create a 3D mesh wall. After completing the scan of the home, then proceed outside through that door.  Still recommend 360 views for outside instead of 3D scans since outdoor scanning is unsupported but you can attempt it at dusk or dawn or if shaded with out the sun beaming down, but it's still risky.  

  • @james

    Are you talking about something like these?

    https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=XMN6FLnnxrS 

    https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=eHrv7VeN8MA 

    It is possible but takes a little patience to get it right. I personally do not see a reason to use 360's but that is my own opinion!

    You can do a highlight reel, label the snapshots, like above examples, and put it in auto play. People probably will not realize it is just a 360. 

    How big is the house and outdoor space? If you scan, it needs to be right before sunrise or sunset, and you have about an hour to do it.

    If it is overcast, you should be fine.

    If you have any questions, ask away. Here is an overcast example.

     https://my.matterport.com/show/?m=3Qkp2QVtDAU

     

  • Interesting, were these taken in 3D scan mode?
    I think my project will be similar to your second example.

    I've not tried to move between indoor and outdoor before but need to get this one right to secure future work!

  • @james 

    That was my second scan I did! 

    It was entirely done in 3d scan mode. I only use 360's for community pictures or maybe an apartment with fitness center and pools.

    So, the answer to your question, yes you can scan outdoors. You will need to know the trim tool trick. 

    Here is another thread that I posted a video of the door trick I use to go outside and the problem that happens most of the time. Just scroll all the way down!

    https://support.matterport.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/115007177807-What-kind-of-video-tutorials-would-you-like-to-see- 

  • James - Justin's door trick is pretty cool and with practice including exterior step-outs is pretty easy for most spaces.  In addition to sunrise/sunset, if there is an overhang creating some shaded area, or the sun is in 11am-1pm location the rays are not directly hitting the infrared lens, or if there are a lot of objects outside it can work.  I strongly recommend practicing. 

  • @james

    I was going to say offer 360's but try to scan outside while you are there. I would practice before you get on the jobsite because there is a learning curve and it is very frustrating when you get the alignment issues when you have seen it done before. I would plan on spending at least twice the amount of time to scan outside than inside.

    I was surprised on how dark outside the Pro1 will scan. In the one example where it is dark outside, it was pitch black. I almost finished it that night but I noticed an alignment issue and stopped. I would have deleted it off but the house looked so good at night with all the lights on.

    As @matterport tim, I recommend scanning the entire place then making a duplicate. Even with this method, if some crazy thing happens, you will not be able to access your 360's. Just make sure to capture them before you duplicate your model. That way you have a complete model either way.

  • Yes, great reminder Justin!  360 views are not transferable.  If you want them to stay with the copy, then make sure they are in the original.  Thanks!

  • Can you imagine the frustration if he needed the original one and it didn't have the 360's!

    That is why I always tell people to do the model just as they would present it to the client, make a copy and then experiment. That is how I figured the closed door until you step there, then open door. That trick does come with its own issues!

  • Thanks guys, you have some interesting thoughts.
    I will practice before the job on Friday!

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